tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25892266.post1517669606076576678..comments2024-01-28T01:53:28.605-08:00Comments on hyperborea: Capitalism Hits the Fan - Richard Wolff's look at the collapseutopia or busthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09330052275507966278noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25892266.post-3160688159372917552008-12-23T13:30:00.000-08:002008-12-23T13:30:00.000-08:00JCD, good points, although when I see bullshit I w...JCD, good points, although when I see bullshit I wonder why I even respond. Youtube is the worst.<BR/><BR/>Marcus, no problem I like using my blog for that.utopia or busthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09330052275507966278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25892266.post-25820140053264443782008-12-23T01:26:00.000-08:002008-12-23T01:26:00.000-08:00first of all thank you for posting this most enjoy...first of all thank you for posting this most enjoyable lecture.<BR/><BR/>secondly to justin (above) - your generalization of the workers as beer swilling nascar fans is both lazy and trite. the fact that while feeling superior you fail to realize the meaning of irony is just brilliant. so in answer to you your question "Is it just me, or is there a heavy dose of irony in ivory-tower marxist thought?" Thats not ironic , it's just someone who can see the bigger picture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25892266.post-42932163288126962912008-12-22T20:33:00.000-08:002008-12-22T20:33:00.000-08:00I mean, this is not exactly a guy who labors in th...<I>I mean, this is not exactly a guy who labors in the fields or factories for a living.<BR/><BR/>Nor, I suppose, was Marx himself.</I><BR/><BR/>1/ Where one labors doesn't really matter so much as the fact that his labor is being exploited. Telephone call center clerks are not working in the fields either, and they have a reason to gripe as much as do coal miners.<BR/><BR/>2/ Marx was anything but an academic. He fought in the streets in 1848; was a founding member of various radical workers' organizations; and lived in variously states of abjection because he couldn't land a cushy professorial job--on account of his political views!<BR/><BR/>Not that Marx's personal situation matters all that much in relation to his political and economic views.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25892266.post-14241125904343196312008-12-22T10:39:00.000-08:002008-12-22T10:39:00.000-08:00... Justin,How could there be an ivory tower Marxi...... Justin,<BR/><BR/>How could there be an ivory tower Marxist thought without an ivory tower capitalist thought? I don't see how your critique of this professor teaching Marxism is any different from a critique of any professor teaching capitalism.utopia or busthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09330052275507966278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25892266.post-78536241215039078852008-12-22T10:33:00.000-08:002008-12-22T10:33:00.000-08:00I mean, this is not exactly a guy who labors in th...<I>I mean, this is not exactly a guy who labors in the fields or factories for a living. </I><BR/><BR/>It's a mistake to think that the only opposition to capitalism can come from the agricultural and industrial sectors.<BR/><BR/>What's your point? You don't have one. "Irony" is a weak observation.<BR/><BR/><I>And if you asked the proletariat what they wanted, </I><BR/><BR/>First, who is the proletariat? It's a larger category of people whose relationship to the means of production does not include owning capital and participating in the decision-making process.<BR/><BR/>Second, you're talking about 'false consciousness'. This is something Situationism and Marxian theory talks a lot about, so ah, you obviously don't know how bad your critique of Marxism is here.utopia or busthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09330052275507966278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25892266.post-85537698630544281402008-12-22T05:44:00.000-08:002008-12-22T05:44:00.000-08:00And if you asked the proletariat what they wanted,...<I>And if you asked the proletariat what they wanted, it'd be something along the lines of cheap beer, nascar, and wal-mart</I><BR/><BR/>And of course that's why worker revolutions happen. Because those dumb fucks don't have enough beer, nascar and wal-mart...<BR/><BR/>Yet another person who think he knows better the workers than the workers themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25892266.post-46976083980681577972008-12-21T20:52:00.000-08:002008-12-21T20:52:00.000-08:00Is it just me, or is there a heavy dose of irony i...Is it just me, or is there a heavy dose of irony in ivory-tower marxist thought?<BR/><BR/>I mean, this is not exactly a guy who labors in the fields or factories for a living. <BR/><BR/>Nor, I suppose, was Marx himself.<BR/><BR/>Still, I always get a chuckle that the people suggesting that the proletariat are oppressed are, well, bourgeois.<BR/><BR/>And if you asked the proletariat what they wanted, it'd be something along the lines of cheap beer, nascar, and wal-mart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25892266.post-3787955271176629922008-12-21T04:34:00.000-08:002008-12-21T04:34:00.000-08:00by the way, Daniel, are you still reading Capital ...by the way, Daniel, are you still reading Capital - or part of the Yahoo group?utopia or busthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09330052275507966278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25892266.post-50523486144293435822008-12-21T04:24:00.000-08:002008-12-21T04:24:00.000-08:00Daniel, I wasn't expecting them to be different pe...Daniel, I wasn't expecting them to be different people. Too many similarities...utopia or busthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09330052275507966278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25892266.post-89445238771451267702008-12-20T22:31:00.000-08:002008-12-20T22:31:00.000-08:00Good lecture. The first 30 minutes are golden but ...Good lecture. The first 30 minutes are golden but he gets a little too preachy about socialism in the last 5.<BR/>Another thing, this is Rick Wolff, not Robert Wolff. Different guys, I think.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13224026985975025587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25892266.post-50543519805842898862008-12-20T21:52:00.000-08:002008-12-20T21:52:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13224026985975025587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25892266.post-24535595397362278322008-12-20T21:24:00.000-08:002008-12-20T21:24:00.000-08:00Well thanks for dropping in :) there's a few pedag...Well thanks for dropping in :) there's a few pedagogical-leftist blogs that I read time to time. Check out Lumpenprofessoriat who has a stream of networks.utopia or busthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09330052275507966278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25892266.post-18561865571411468102008-12-20T17:58:00.000-08:002008-12-20T17:58:00.000-08:00Hey, I was just checking out my blog and clicked o...Hey, I was just checking out my blog and clicked on the "next blog" button and landed at you...good stuff, enjoyed reading. I am here if you'd like to look http://acadamnit.blogspot.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com